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The lady should have listen and she would have never have gotten Tased. she got what she had coming to her

Punk Bitch? Did you even watch the whole video? I am Rich’s cousin and I know first hand that Rich is a good cop. If you would have watched the whole video, you would have seen that the lady was a complete bitch right off the bat with him. She should have listened to him the first 6 times he warned her and that would have never happened. So, since you were wondering if his family is proud of what he did, I’m here to tell you that the answer is YES, he was totally justified. And if that happened to one of the ladies in our family, it would be justified also. So, Mr. Big Bad David Williams, maybe you should watch the tape again and keep your damn mouth shut.

McNevin’s choices were a) shoot her, b) beat her or c) shock her. Seems like choice “c” is best when dealing with the militantly non-compliant.

Mr. Big Bad McNevin weighs all of 170 pounds. She was screaming “you racist” from the moment he pulled her over. It was a set-up from the get-go. I also know he works traffic homocide, and sees the result of speeders day in and out. What should he have done? Let her go? She broke the law. About four laws. Putting down the phone and cigarette is a pretty simple request. How is he a punk bitch? Because he feels an ambush might be at hand because a defiant law-breaking citizen was telling who-knows-who on the cell phone where she was at? When will people, white, black, green or whatever color realize all you have to do is obey the posted laws and we would not be here discussing this subject. Be grateful that Officer McNevin and others are willing to risk their lives for such a large population of hateful, ungrataeful people. Regardless of color, whichever you may be, obey the law. It’s that simple. By the way, Mr. David Williams,who elected you God? Who decided you should declare a Jihad on Officer McNevin? Why not call on the driver to obey the law rather than accuse a great, decorated cop of injustice? A 10-4 is a pretty serious thing to say.

Some believe that what goes around does in the end come around.

If the Police Officer had been black and the driver had been a white soccer mom driving a Lexus in a hurry on her way to the tanning country club for brunch – this would have been on CNN immediately.

Congress would be called an emergency session to discuss the dangers of taser use & the Police Officer would be hiring an attorney.

I too personally know Officer McNevin and I can’t believe what he has ben put through, villification at the hands of liberal right wing extremists, for doing what he knows is his job – enforcing the laws of this country. If any of you had to face what he does every day and take the risk that he might lose his life enforcing the law, you might view his actions a little differently. He absolutely understands what it means to use force and how it affects the lives of those who are subject to it. He is a family man and treats his wife and child lovingly and with respect. We should be grateful he is doing for us what few others would willingly do, risk his life (and sanity) to protect our law abiding citizens from those who do not respect the law or its enforcement.

what the hell happend to the land of the free? ass holes took over. defending this guy is out of the question. sure she was a idiot. but she wasnt trying to control someone and tell them what they can or can not do. notice in the video, he says get out of the car or else i am going to taze you. not you got tazed for trying to strike officer b. cop lies like nothing, and wheres the maranda at??? thares alot of stupid laws these days. the more stupid laws thare are, the less people respect the real laws. something needs to happen. i think its not the polices fault in general. i think its more twards the top of the governments twisted EVIL EMPIRE. the ballots are asking the wrong questions. make the pigs judge jurry and exicutioner. i noticed that the PIGGY didnt respect her much eather. kristy do us a favor and shut up noone cares about you. its a cycle of abuse and control from the government to its people.

hey my name is rich mcnevin too. thats all i got. bye

Check out the last Post by PATRIOT. What an idiot.

That police officer is a puke. And all the spineless slime supporting him, loving the police state and abuse of power, deserve to be tasered. They are the same that torture prisoners in prisons, and justify cruelty for cruelties sake. I have seen the whole video – it doesn’t matter if she had no licence, or didn’t hop out of the car in a split second – his condescending voice, his obvious sadistic nature, rather than being polite, provoking her with his sarcastic and dismissive responses – looking for any excuse to cause harm and pain to another person. He deserved to be kicked off the force in humiliation, stripped of all rank, rejected by society, and cast out into darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. A totally unfit officer and human being.

First off to Erik from France, get real. Police Officers are paid to enforce the laws, not be camp counselors or mothers. Show devotion and understanding towards what? A disrespectful and ignorant motorist who violated 4 traffic laws while operating a vehicle illegally and then proceeded to insult the officer and ignore his commands?

The fact that someone pays taxes(last I checked we all did) does not give them the right to ignore the laws and those that enforce them. She was treated as she was for refusing to act on the commands given by the officer. Several times she was told to get out of the car, several more times she was told to get out or be tazed. Ibnstead she decided to talk on her cell phone. The officer acted in the most appropriate manner given the situation.

Your comparing this police officer to a Nazi is sickening, ignorant, and truly makes me sorry for you.

Those of you who have actually watched the video in its entirity and still defend the actions of the woman while condeming the officer seriously interest me. It makes me wonder if you are the same people that bitch when officers do their jobs, claiming infringements on your rights, then when you yourselves need the help of those officers bitch about the percieved lack of action. You are the ones that will never be happy. Call it problems with authority, disrespect for the law, or just the usual run of the mill ignorant complainer.

For those that would want to know I have both military and law enforcement background. Call my view biased or informed, whichever you wish.

My message to Airborne
It’s not you « airborne » an ex military guy who’s going to teach me what to think.
First of all for me you are at the bottom of the society. You are there because you couldn’t make it at school.
It’s people like you “military man” who stole the american country to the native (indians), Your US Cavalery parked them and executed them thousand of indians have been killed. You even deported them to Oklahoma…
Already your nation didn’t start well because it was convicts, people who had nothing to lose who left europe. The land was even for free for a white man who wanted to settle down. What a generousity! it was stolen…
For the same profit Black people were captured and forced to work in your cotton field and we all know what happen to them (Hundred thousand peole died)
I still have the image of your little brothers “policemen that you are so proud of” letting the dogs eating and bitting the blacks in a midle of the street like nazi did in concentration camp.
Soldiers like you went to vietnam as conquerant again and again thinking that you could summit others nation.
American soldiers came to Europe during War War II not to deliver Europe as you may think but because Staline had cruched down the german army at stalingrad and was running towards berlin and you were afraid that the world would become communist.
It’s you american soldiers who put two atomic bombs on japanese CIVILIANS killing hundred thousand of people like nuts because a military base was attacked and you are crying for the twin towers the symbol of capitalism.
It’s you american soldiers who used uranium bombs in former yougoslavia. You should be a shame, children will grow up with cancer but they won’t forget who did it.
It’s you soldiers that stupidly killed hundred of American people in the TWA flight because a missile whas launched from a military boat.
I’ts you soldiers who lied to your nations saying that Iraq had massive bombs so you could use your favorite guns. But we all known that French secret service, English secret service and American work hand to hand. They knew it was faked and you decide to enter the war to shoot blindly on arabic guys. We didn’t cover your ass cause we knew that the truth would come on the surface.
I do have consideration for policeman but none for peole like you who sleep with their gun, who watch the next bruce willis film, who are for the death penalty “your favorite toy the symbol of your nation” . You should put it on your bill : IN DEATH PENALTY WE TRUST
Your hands are full of blood it’s time for a change. The list is very long.

I hope McNevin gets shot on a routine traffic stop someday. Acts all big and bad against an unarmed woman. He doesn’t deserve that badge and belongs in a cell.

For all of you who think he was not justified after telling her numerous times to get out of the car, what is the appropriate action he should take??? How many orders are enough?? What if she had drugs/weapons in her purse or under the seat and was going to shoot the police officer. Someone said a person should not be tazered for disobeying a police officers orders, are we allowed to disobey police now? I just want you to put yourself in his shoes and tell me the appropriate action you would have took. Remember, you do not know who is sitting in that car, a felon, a fugative, someone high on drugs/alcohol or if there are weapons hidden and the person is willing to doing anything to get away. Never judge unless you know what the job involves.

That obsessive cop (pig) should be fired.

To all of you who are defending this woman, I have yet to see anyone post a comment regarding what Mr.McNevin should have done is this situation. Is it because what he did was take the best course of action in this situation? It amazes me to see the amount of pre-pubescent agnst among all of you defending this woman. The f**k the gov’t mentality, siding with people that break the law quoting “I thought this was the land of the free.” Who died and made you God, I must of missed the news telling me that all the laws created in this country for our safety only apply to certain people in certain circumstances. Take a step back and look at the government and society and realize that laws and decisions are made to to better protect and serve this country. When will you grow up and take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming society for all your problems.

^^^ Adding all of list of offenses Ciddy listed above, (No need to type them over and over again) the answer is “ABSOLUTELY”. If I’m a police officer who puts my life on the line, I do not entertain with the “WHAT IFs”. Especially, when the suspect’s character is questionable.

Oh, Erik, everyone here pays taxes. We all have the same rights. The right to be protected by the law from stupid citizens like that woman in the video. Devotion & Understanding….? What typoe of ideas/solutions are you proposing that may allow police officers to enforce the law while being “understanding” at the same time? Better yet, what would YOU have done in this situation if you were the cop?

Large portions of thinking Americans find this scary. Make no mistake bush does not have the support of all American citizens.

Didn’t do it as fast as he said he wanted? He told her like 10 times to get out of the car. Did she think he was kidding around when he had a taser pointed right at her, spelling out the consequences? She tried to invoke her constitutional right to defy a lawful order from a police officer, and then Officer McNevin decided to give her a real civics lesson. Hats off to him.

“Any innocent people get killed?”
“Nah, just some cops”
“No real people?”
“Just cops”

Classic and truthful line from “Reservoir Dogs”. These are not real people. Once they get that badge, they become cops, beaureucratic government workers. Their job is to protect people from the real dangers. Their job is about helping. It is about being a friend. About making people feel safe and happy. We teach our children these things about police. But the harsh reality is you have to fear the cops. These people have no decency or shame. So what if they told her to get out of the car numberous times? Why should she listen to them, what are they, God? They are no better, no worse than her. If she was someone who hurt others and was a danger to society, that’s a different story. Wow, she had a broken windsheild and a brake light didn’t work. Give her the electric chair! Every single day I pick up the paper and read about rapes, robberies, killings, carjackings, and the same end line “no suspects were arrested”. THESE are the type of crimes they have to persue. Not this trick-or-treat stuff. If she wanted to make a call, let her finish. Then they say that she tried to swing at them…they grabbed her first physically, she had to defend herself! What gives him the right to physically touch her when she did not lay a hand on him? As i said, he is no better or worse than her. And in fact, she is THEIR boss. Her taxes pay their salary. I do not know where these cops loose their humanity, but i tell you they do loose it. If all of them could go through the same thing as they put innocent citizens through, they would probably learn more from that than from anything else in their careers. Let it go, GO FIGHT REAL CRIME, because real crime happens while they are bothering with this crap. People rebel because they are sick of all these laws, policies, and procedures, which are more important than a human beings’ life. Everything is illegal, you can’t even play baseball on the street like you could years ago. What purpose in arresting this woman serve? All about money, extorting citizens to buy limos for politicians, right? If they want to make money, throw a policeman’s ball, don’t rape citizens of their hard earned money. They are there to help, not rape. If this is the way they make money, they might as well be sitting on the beach shaking a tin can, because even that is less pathetic than raping citizens of money. Maybe if they acted human, told her to calm down, not given her an attitude, said please, did not order her like a dog, maybe she would not have got upset. They should not expect to be treated any better than the way they were treating her. The saying goes “treat others the way you wanted to be treated.” From the start, they were harrassing her, like she was a robber or rapist. LET IT GO. But they enjoy it. That is why they take this job. Who would want to risk their life for lousy pay? They take the job to be a bully. And that is exactly what they are. As much of an ignorant intimidator as the schoolyard bully. They treat people like dogs, ordering them and expecting to be obeyed. If you want something from someone, you request it, NICELY. They can’t expect everyone to be their dog, because they are human beings, and expect to be treated as human beings. Why should she listen to everything they order? If they told you to suck your own dick would you do it??? And this Mcnevin probably had a bad night the previous day, and took it out on an innocent citizen. He probably didn’t get laid by his girl and had to resort to sexually abusing himself in the bathroom clutching on a “Chicks with Dicks” magazine. So the next day he takes out his frustration of his wife not puffing his peter by harrassing this lady. You could see very well he was enjoying himself. Or he could be pissed at could be supplementing his lousy income by pulling this woman over to have some fun. I tell you, cops who do these sort of traffic stops deserve to get treated the same way as child molesters get treated in jail. McNevin is a regular Ray Liotta in “Unlawful Entry”– he thinks because he’s a cop, he can get away with whatever he wants–he can harass innocent citizens. There will come a time one day, when he will end up on the other end of the gun like Liotta did at the end— I really hope someone drills him with ten bullets the way Kurt Russell did to Ray, would i love to watch Mcnevin go down and get what he deserves, the same way Ray (Officer Pete Davis) goes down at the end of “Unlawful Entry”— he abused his power and got away with it, then he gets what is coming to him when he goes too far.

Erik:

You thought McNevin acted like a Nazi? Did it make you want to surrender to him?

Pete Davis:

Two movie quotes in one rambling, ignorant post? Get out much?

As a whining liberal Democrat, I was extremely distressed after viewing a blatant display of police brutality against a helpless African-American woman by two white (and obviously racist) males. I intend to notify the NAACP, ACLU, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters and Barbara Lee of this civil rights violation. After forwarding this video to Larry King at CNN, I also plan on organizing a protest march on the very street where this heinous incident took place. Those brutal police officers obviously havent had any sensitivity training!!! Its going to take years of therapy for me to get over what I just saw…ooooh, the anquish of it all!…

Macewan, what right of hers did he violate? Her right to brazenly refuse compliance with a lawful command from an officer of the law? Show me that in the constitution.

Well,

As being a cop over in Europe, i think tazing somebody in a situation like in the clip is very brutal. I have seen the whole clip and over here we just get into a wrestling with somebody like that. We don’t even have tazers and we prefer to work with our mouth more than by force. Overhere this would be a crime for wich the policeofficer probably would get a dishonourable discharge.

The mouthy bitch had it coming. Jeez. She was the racist.

I too googled here having seen this clip on another website.. I have seen other clips where police officers in the US have been shot at and brutally attacked under standard traffic pullovers. I think these are people who in the line of duty often get put under allot of stress. Police officers in Europe just don’t see this kind of violence in their job. Now, arguably I could say that I think officer Mcnavin was being kind of a jerk and this woman was obviously being a jerk too (or bitch, whatever).. But, being a police officer he probably deals with ignorant ppl like this on a daily basis so imho maybe he could have handled it with a little more compassion, I dunno.

From what I saw she didn’t seem to be a threat to anybody. They claim she tried to punch the other officer, hehe. I mean a woman like this couldn’t even deliver a harmful punch to this officer standing up let alone from a sitting position. I thought that was kind of silly, It seemed to me that she got tazered because she was being a “bitch”, plain and simple. Is that ok? No, I don’t really think it is.. But lets not forget, this woman was given a choice, she made it and suffered the consequences. I personally don’t think that Mcnavin should have given this woman that kind of ultimatum to begin with.

Well, thats my opinion..

Officer McNevin, the greatest amount of respect for you. You are truly a hero and acted in the appropriate way. I guess people forget how hardened an officer or any highly traumatic job makes one. You have to expect the worst and therefore take all precautions. Well done.

All the idiot bitch had to do was shut her mouth and get out of the car, but no, she intead decided to mouth off and defy the officer because she was some badass.

Hopefully this has taught her to shut her stinking suck and listen when an officer tells her to exist her car.

tase her again… bitch ass crack whore.

Good work McNevin,

I would have tasered that dumb broad until the batteries were dead, then went to look for more batteries

GIVE HER THE TASER

ehhehehehe yeah that was cool!

good job sir! keep up the good work, ill chip in for the new batteries!

If it was me that was tasered like that, he would have to put his entire family into the witness protection program. He would be safe nowhere. I would make it my life long task to find him and make him pay.

Blaine shut the hell up.

To all those that are siding with this chick.
After being pulled over with about four violations, one of which is operating without a liscense, shes going to be arrested. This chick decides she is going to be uncooperative, like she did. McNevin decides not to use is taser and after a half an hour of “Get out of the car” she still refuses. McNevin decides that there is no way she is coming out of the car and says screw it. She drives away, and three blocks later smashes into a car, killing everybody in the other car, but she walks away. Personally, I would rather have her tasered and arrested.

I suppose that Overseer McNevin was drafted into his job….of course not! He loves his work and I’m sure as with many officers race had alot to do with it, profiling is real and the victim of this brutal attack comments of him being a racist truly came to light. No race cards just fact to those who know him ask him have he ever used a taser gun on a white woman. This type of behavior is what can be called terrorism. The pig is out abusing his athority and no matter how disgruntled she was she never broke the law he brought up false charges after stall tactics when those charges should’ve came out beforehand. She had good reason to get on the phone to call someone because she was being terrorized. Just the thought that some people are okay with this really let black America know where it stands, where you can get electrocuted for standing up for your rights, with proof of the account. Rodney King was just the tip of the iceberg.

The issue here is that the woman was not an immediate threat which is the only grounds for which a police officer is authorized to use a taser–as an alternate to lethal force. This woman did not pose an immediate threat to the officer, end of discussion, case closed. This is a clear cut example of police brutality by use of unnecessary force. Whether or not the woman gave them an attitude is irrelevant because that is not illegal. When asked to get out of your car by a police officer under the law you can ask why he wants you to do so. As citizens of the United States we all as civilians have rights that exist to protect from overbearing authorities. The officer was clearly angered by the woman’s knowledge of the law and her challenging of his authority which are not crimes. When there are two male police officers and one unarmed female there is no need for a taser. These officers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

After reading more of the comments, some of you have made it clear that the USA is a free country, if you don’t like the way it is run remember to vote or YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE!

Note to self: do not visit Florida. I like Jersey, where the cops are really bored. Seriously though, I hate people that talk on cell phones incessantly, but he should have showed a little more restraint. I think he showed poor threat assessment. If the suspect was 6′5″ and 300 lbs and aggressive, I would have sided with the cop whole heartedly. But you shouldn’t be tased just for being a “bitch” or passively non-compliant. Also, I would like to see some PSA’s on public TV regarding how people should react when approached by law enforcement. Stuff like “When pulled over, roll down you window and place you hands on the steering wheel, make no sudden movements, do not attempt to get out of the car, and comply with lawful orders given by the officer”. Also include what is and is not a lawful order and what to expect if you don’t comply with these orders. I think some public education could cut down on the number of incidents and actually save some lives.

Also, I think that everyone who posts inflammatory messages on forums to get a knee-jerk reaction from people should be tased by their computer. Just a thought. Might cut down on the nazi cop comments or “YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE!” crap.

I AM HEADING DOWN TO FLORIDA TONIGHT TO SUE THE BOYNTON BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT!

the issue here doesn’t was the officer action, I think that he only did their job, rather I believe our opinions must be focused on tasers guns, I’ve seen bulls fell down with only one taser-gun shot, obviously tasers aren’t for human use.

pinpondice

couple quick things so i dont get carried away into some spew of narrow minded history. This guy was way to impatient, what is the video?, six minutes long? Give me a break, when you are dealing with ignorant people such as this woman you should know right off the bat as a “decorated officer” that this is a sensitive situation. Hey, maybe instead of cutting this lady off and demanding stuff, maybe i should explain to her what the law is? Its obvious by her comments that she is ignorant and has no clue what the law is. So what do you do in this situation, maybe try being nicer and explaining to the lady what the law is and not going down to her level and getting an attitude. Time how long it took him to taze her, are you kidding me? From the get go he was annoyed and even said she is getting and attitude and i dont want her. What is this assulting a police officer crap?, and this upholding the law crap? She swung at him, so what? is he going to cry about it? So now that “he was attacked while upholding the law” he gets to violate her and taze her cause he didnt get what he wanted in time. Stop lying to yourselves, you are like abused children, it is obvious this woman is not a threat, use your brain and not some paper laws to tell you what kind of person she is. oooo but “sometimes” it could be dangerous and the officer has to protect himself, well guess what, sometimes officers are dangerous and people need to be able to protect themselves also. You know what happend when i got pulled over for this same thing? almost exactly? the cop dealt with my questions and issued me a warning that my license was suspended, issued me a ticket and sent me on my way, end of story. If you cant comprehend this i dont know what to tell you. xertechx@yahoo.com

Pinpon, you’ve seen bulls fall down with one tazer use because those tazers had significantly more voltage. I assume you’re referring to that popular internet video where the bull is hit broad-side with the red tazer? Let me ask you….how many other red tazers have you ever seen, especially on a cop’s belt?

Aside from my previous arguments, I cannot believe people on here can honestly believe with a straight face that this woman was not a threat….SHE WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR AND WAS BEHAVING DEFIANTLY, NOT TO MENTION CALLING FOR HER OWN BACKUP ON THE PHONE. That’s a pretty clear threat in my book. The officer spelled out the consequences and she thought he was kidding. She’ll know better next time. Actually probably not, once a moron, always a moron in my experience.

The officer screwed up. If he had ordered her to throw the keys out of the car and she did not comply, *then* he might have reason to tase her, as the vehicle itself could be considered a weapon.

But he didn’t, so clearly he wasn’t worried about her using it as such. With apologies to all of the officer’s family on the site, I believe this guy was pissed off at the lady and was just itching for a reason to use his shiny new taser gun.

He’s a disgrace to the force. Can him.

Far as I can see Officer McNevin did exactly what he was trained to do. The taser does not inflict injury or harm to the person. The taser was used to stop the situation from escalating into a situation requiring more force. I, Tom McNevin, am a retired Los Angeles Policeman. Good work Rich. Tom

I think that the tasing could be legally justified, but does anyone really doubt that it was more than likely not required?

Cops have a tough job and I have a lot of respect for them (in fact, my sister is a Probation Officer). This woman was defiant and rude, but she was also scared when she had a gun point at her.

I believe he did not violate the letter of the law and I don’t believe he should be punished. However, I also think it’s boderline to suggest he didn’t violate the the spirit of the law. Ultimately, I think he tased her because of her attitude and not because he felt threatened. My guess is he wouldn’t do it again. I’m sure he’s a good person, but this was boderline and a different cop with a different approach could’ve had a better resolution.

Again, I’m not defending. I thought she was awful.

I just saw the video in its entirety.

I saw the officer doing his job. I saw too that the officer would rather be somewhere else than to deal with this type of individual(argumentative motormouth).
The officer showed restraint(more than I would have – for me 3 strikes and your out!)with an individual whose first language was english.
One of the rules of the road is that you obey the police. I see lawyers do it all the time. She was in the wrong….committing an offense and then compounding it.
Use of the taser being excessive? I have seen many who use it on themselves at parties.
(laughing all the way) Now, how many do that with a firearm.
Play the racist card?
Obviously,she has never met a racist.
A racist would NOT even waste time with talk, they shoot first (using a couple of shots for good measure).
A racist DOES want to cause visible and lasting injuries.
A racist does not want to get their hands dirty in the act of touching, and so use their boots.
What should he have done? Taken away the keys until she gets some drivers ed. (chances were that he wasn’t gonna get that either. Let her go? Then he isn’t doing his job. Bullet btween the eyes? Tempting

Over a year later and this thread is still going strong!W00T!

My question the woman, had a cell phone, and was smoking a cigarette at the same exact time? (I’d think your hands would be full)

“I’m going to tase, you… Step out of the car or I’m going to tase you.”

(Interpretting ‘tase’= piglatin for ‘TASER’)

The officer states, that the woman took a swing at the other officer?

He probably, went to grab her to pull her out of the vehicle, then McNevin, while she was distracted (at the same time- not knowing, nor being informed of being arrested- {remember almost anywoman would not let a man touch her out of the blue}and swashing away, the other police officer.

This Is when she, was, stuck by the brutal electrical force of the ‘Taser’ from the drivers side of her vehicle.

Seeing how, the short pretence of the entire word, ‘Taser’, is used in it’s shortened terminoloy, that this officer, is refering to his full experience and usuage of Tasering people, has narrowed the word, down to a ‘T’.

“Yo! Biatch, now yous best don’t want me ta go usin’ da’ ‘T’ word onz ya’!” But he never even tried inform the woman she was going to be apprehended.

Not, only does the approaching Officer state that the woman had taken a swing, that after the Tasering had taken its affect on this woman, not once, but twice, after in which she was helped to stand, by both Officers, that the Officer told her afterward, that she was being arrested for- driving with a suspended license.

(before they Tasered-zed-zed-zed-ed ‘Zapped her’-) None, of which made itself audibly present- in any part of this -vocal content- till after she was apprehended. That, neither of the asshole Officers involved- their approachment to the Driver of the Vehicle stated that was what she was being arrested for…

ALthough, this situation was posted all over the internet in police chat room forums, none of which more that a few people have sided with the woman, and the rest, (mostly cops themselvesor family members of the cops- trolling the internet) going…. “I told you so… She should have listened…”

She wasn’t even warned, idiot buddy cop, starts off on the right foot, then for whatever reason, confers through his dispatch ‘She’s giving me attitude’.

Well, I hope this woman listens to reason, in this reason if she hasn’t already- that there are always other options to pursue, in the field of Police Complaints especially~, in retrospect to the overly abusive tactics of this inconsiderate and halfwitted pig.

I deal with situations like this on the beat every week.
Women like this respond well to a little respect.
She made no attempt to flee.
She pulled over immediately.
McNevin’s been at it long enough to know she wasn’t a threat.
I have to work with men like this, men who thrive on bullying rather than using a reasonable approach.
I would’ve let her finish her call, and chosen respect and politeness over testosterone and cowardice.
There was no benefit to scraping her up, puncturing and electrocuting her, except to show McNevin’s nature to the public.
I’ve seen the nature of men wearing the uniform change, many times.
When you see yourself starting to enjoy conflict, it’s time for another line of work.
But then again, my career is moving toward internal affairs.
My conflicts will be more legal in scope, so I’m not too afraid of enjoying them
Give me some time, and come hell or high water, I’ll have that man removed from duty.
–Nancy

that black bitch got what she deserved

1. Female in question was an outright b*tch who deserved a b*tch slapping. She makes a really bad example of a victim of excessive force.

2. Unfortunately, cops are not allowed to deal out such punishments and “mouthing off” to a cop isn’t a crime. It is POPO (piss off police officer), which is stupid.

3. The “violence” that “escalated” the situation according to Sgt Sedrik Aiken (training officer for McNevin’s department) was the female pulling away from Officer McNevin’s grasp.

4. Taser Int’l’s training manual states: “The Taser is best utilized in situations where a hostile or potentially hostile individual is threatening himself or another person.”

5. The need to arrest was fairly obviously POPO driven, as was the sudden adding of three additional traffic violations (one of which was real silly, since the failure to wear a safety belt was only observed and brought up after the stop had been made).

6. Off McNevin could have taken a number of other measures that didn’t include an arrest, including ticketing her with a court date and informing her that if she drove the vehicle away, she would be arrested then. If he felt real pissy, then he could have taken his time filling out the tickets, possibly provoking a physical confrontation. (Yep, seen that one myself, except it was a “he” and I simply swapped places with the driver since my license wasn’t suspended. In Florida.)

7. Off McNevin acted in a hasty manner (~6 minute episode, less than that to tasing), did not use less confrontational methods of resolving the situation and escalated the situation himself, including use of excessive force. You can say his defense is that he was following orders/training, which would work for me, but then you need to haul his superiors in to take the rap.

Uh… I’ve seen plenty of vidoes of white cops tasering white trailer trash, is this considered white-on-white hate crime?

I didn’t know what color she was until she got out of the car. I just thought “stupid bitch” while I was listening. Only when he got her out of the car did I think “uh oh… someone’s gonna cry race card”.

Someone said if this was a soccer mom and a black cop – guess what, white soccer mom would get out of the car. Trailer trash white chick would not. She would get the f@#$ing tazer too! lol

Check out this article on two white kids arrested by a black cop in the hood… OMG RACIST! FIRE THE BLACK OFFICER! REMOVE THEM FROM DUTY! OMFG OMFG OMG OMG!! RACE RACE!!

http://www.dcist.com/archives/2006/05/17/couple_arrested.php

What ever happened to “Serve and Protect”?
What ever happened to the Bill of Rights?

I agree that the woman was stupid, obnoxious, loud, etc. (but those aren’t crimes) and she was not an immediate threat to the officer or his buddy. They should have shown more restraint. Tazing her was the use of life threatening force against her attitude and big mouth.

They should be reprimanded, and potentially prosecuted.

We as citizens have a right to question Nazi strom troopers; and when asked to get out of your car by a police officer — you have the right to do so.

As an ex-police officer I’ve advised my wife and children to keep the window rolled up and door locked when approached by one of these thugs. And at night, I’ve advised them to drive to the nearest police station before pulling over to be safe from copy-cat-cops and the few steroid doped-up uber-criminals dressed in uniform.

Two armed and dangerous cops against an unarmed woman… they couldn’t call a supervisor, or the race relations officer, or a woman officer.

I’m sure Rich is a really nice guy, that is, in most situations. I’m also sure he would risk his life, to run in to save anyone else’s in a dire life-or-death situation. But hey, I would too… and I have. But a mistake in judgement like this has to be dealt with seriously, or else it erodes all our rights.

BTW, If he’s tazing unarmed woman because he’s afraid for his life, it’s time for him to go back to school, get a degree in accounting and quit being a police officer. His wife and children will appreciate it as well…

I believe officer McNevin was correct in Tasering the woman the first time, this was done to get her out of her vehicle. I don’t understand the how the Officer can justify sending out a second blast from the Taser though. The woman was by this time, on the ground, and he stands there barking orders at her. He obviously doesn’t take into consideration that the woman is now scared, has just experienced a very painful shock, and may very well have injured herself after tumbling out of her SUV and onto the pavement. Any officer that would continue considering this woman as a possible threat by this point needs their head examined. He gave that second Taser shot because he could, not because the situation warranted it. She had already said she couldn’t get her arms behind her back while laying face down on the street. (I can’t, I can’t). So he lights her up a second time, and shouts the command again. She screams again in pain and then repeats that she can’t manuver her arms the way he wants. Then his partner wisely assists the woman in securing her arms. I suspect he did so because he realized McNevin’s actions had gone to far with the second Taser shot, and he wanted to prevent him from continuing his arbitrary use of force. Tasers used in this manner become an instrument of torture. I think McNevin relizes he went to far by this point also. This is further emphasied by the fact that he doesn’t mention that she took a swing at a police officer until after the entire incident was over, thus justifying, in front of the camera of course, his initial use of force. The reason I don’t believe him is the womans responce of “I didn’t take a swing at YOU”. McNevin knows the camera would show she didn’t swing at him, so he has to state, again in front of the camera, that the swing was at his partner. Since no actions inside the womans SUV can be seen by the camera, it makes sence he would SAY she swung at the officer who approached her vehicle from the passenger side. This same officer who is outside the camera’s view throughout most of the stop, thus making it a case of her word against two cops. I don’t think the woman ever made a physically threatening move at either officer, but a lie that she did would justify all the police actions that occured. Therefore, I feel the second shot from the Taser was abuse, plain and simple, a way to inflict pain for giving McNevin an attitude when the stop began. Since a bad attiude isn’t a crime however, there is no way to justify the second use of force.

Just saw the video. Sick. Torturing a person over a traffic stop? You say he risks his life every day? Only because he uses VIOLENCE to intrude on the private lives of Americans. He SHOULD face a risk to his life. Jackass. The police are criminals. Traffic tickets are REVENUE generation, NOT “law enforcement”! Get your heads on straight. I watched the video. THEY opened her door! That thug climed into HER car! Did she swing at him? She should have SHOT the bastard. That is trespassing into her private property. The goon Mcnevin didn’t want her to make a call. She has a right to counsel. THEY attacked her, threatened her, assaulted her, then SHOCKED her. THis is insane. She asks why, and they tell her “your license is expired”. That is reason for arrest? You idiots think that is reason for arrest? What crime? Who is the injured party? Where is the warrant? You think it a good idea to let nazi thug cops roam the streets and kidnap anyone they want for whatever reason they dream up? The “arrest warrant” was incorporated into our constitution for this very reason! To prevent “guilty until proven innocent” tactics by thug cops who kidnap people off the streets.

She never cried racist until after recovering from shock treatment. Idiots who encourage this crap should move their sorry behinds to a communist country where they belong. Those cops are filthy liars. He contradicted himself, and lied to her, and played head games with her to justify his actions. Thieving cowards, hiding behind all those weapons and body armor, then busting in on people’s private lives. No exuse. This is abuse of authority, abusive use of exessive force. He tasered her for not putting down her phone fast enough.

COPS, you better watch your backs! America is getting sick of this crap. You might just have the wrong audience one day when executing your tyrant belligerant arogant stupidity. Bastards. Thugs. Criminals. We the people are free, and INNOCENT until a JURY finds guilt. Arrests over revenue infringements are disgusting. Steal our money, then steal our freedom. Sick. Sick. Sick. No excuse. Thugs.

in response to no’s comment.

God Bless your opinion no, I could NOT have said it any better myself.

The smart Americans do it like this…..

1.) Do what your told by an officer
2.) If you want to fuck him, find a legal way to do so after the initial confrontation, dont waste his time by bitching like an ignorant wannabe civil rights mastermind.

Again, I know my rights, this African American Female did not……mistake #1

And yes, she was probably taking her “anger” out by being a bitch to someone (cop) who wasnt “helping” her (selfish bitch that she is).

Sometimes its more about protecting the majority than your ego.

God Bless all of you who have sided with the officers actions.

Advice for you all if you dont want to be like this person…..

1.) Keep your lips locked when talking to a cop, he only needs to know what he wants to know.
2.) Be polite and know your rights, make sure you are right! hehe
3.) Enjoy your life and realize that the cops are here to serve and protect America, and yes this female was a threat to our society.

Not a threat as in a gun toting militant. But anger and rage can go very far when given a vehicle (no pun intended).

I can definately see this female in her bad mood already, speeding and killing an innocent motorist. But I dont know that for sure, but then again thats why she didnt get a bullet in her head.

Im sure everyone who has read this blog now knows how to correctly handle this situation. And that is the final answer, know how to control a situation to your advantage, that is all I ask, for your own good!

-Dave

I’m a 20 yr old liberal college student who has had his fair share of cop confrontations.

Oh and the guy who runs this site is an idiot.

*sometimes I think feel like an idiot then again I expect a comment like this to come from someone at Insomniac Games

Well, if you’re tased for this kind of offense, i guess stealing an old woman’s purse will grant you a one way ticket to the electric chair very soon in the US.
And well, Abu-grahib and Guantanamo will be your summer residence…..
Nothing much left from this America i used to love in the 80’s, did you guys all forget about the first amendement ? Please, wake up, your country looks like Russia at the time of the communists !

you think rich is bad, you should come to nottinghamshire (england) and meet the real mcnevin’s
i know my family members in the usa are good people but come to the uk and you will see and hear about us

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I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read.

I just typed my name in google to see what would come up, and I was pleasantly surprised. Not only did I find another Andrew McNevin (much props), but I also found a fellow McNevin (Officer Rich) laying down the law (pun intended) on a woman who could have easily avoided the whole situation. I believe Mr. Rich represented the McNevin clan (even our McNaughton brethren) quite well. There are 2 valuable lessons that can be derived upon viewing this video: 1) Do what a cop tells you to do so you don’t get tased, and 2) DON’T MESS WITH MCNEVINS!!!!!

P.S. (to the other Andrew McNevin)- I took a trip to England 2 summers ago. I am kicking myself for having not looked up fellow McNevins while I was there. There’s a lot of us in Texas. Look us up if you’re ever in the area.

After reading everyones comments on here, I am left wondering a few questions.

1.) Why do about 90% of the posts attacking the police officer sound like they’re written by a 5th grader with absolutely NO knowledge of grammar?

2.) When did the ideas of “treating someone with respect” start to apply to only one side of a fight?

I’d like to take a step back and look at the crux of this entire situation.

If you disagree with anything in this next section, please emigrate yourself now.

There are two parties here: A citizen, and a police officer. The citizen’s job/responsibility is to do what? Think for a second. What is YOUR responsibility as a citizen of the United States? You are supposed to obey the law. If you do not obey the law, there are consequences. Don’t get off on a tangent now and chime in with “but! but!” Just allow me to give this simple point.

What is the job/responsibility of the police officer? It is to enforce the laws. “Erik from france” made the… eloquent.. statement that it was the police officer’s duty to “treat this woman well, give her respect, have self control, courtesy, devotion (?), and understanding towards the population that he is supposed to protect”. Nowhere in a police officer’s job description is any of this listed. This job is to uphold the law, and penalize those who break it.

Simply stating these facts, let’s look at what happen.

The citizen broke the law. We’ll discuss “black/white/white/black” issues later, right now we simply know that 1.) a citizen’s job is to obey the law, and 2.) this citizen did not obey the law.

What should the action of the police officer be to a citizen who does not obey the law? Should he DO HIS JOB and uphold the law which his position as a police officer requires him to do? I believe so, and, if you don’t… you’re retarded and desire complete anarchy and a complete lack of any responsibility for actions taken by people who break the law. Go kill yourself now and stop reading.

The arguement CANNOT possibly be about the officer’s INITIAL response to a speeding car – he pulled the car over. What happens from then on is a difference of opinion as to how he handled the situation, but NO ONE can disagree that because she broke the law, the officer was right in pulling her over. The problem with many people is that they try to place blame on parties who have no right to have blame placed on them. If the officer’s job is to uphold the law, and the citizen broke the law, how is he not justified in pulling her over? From the outset, yes – he may have not come up to her window and politely requested that she, if it was alright with her, calmly allow him to talk to her about something that slightly caused him to be perturbed but was in no way truly her fault but the unforeseen outcome of events she had no real control over – he did his JOB – his attitude is secondary – and do not forget that – SECONDARY – to what his job asks of him – to stop people who are breaking the law and punish them accordingly. The law does not state “if a police officer does not portray the attitude you wish to see, you are allowed to disobey everything he tells you and disregard every request/order he makes to you just because you don’t feel like obeying or have a problem with his order.” You realize, I hope, that while this is a democracy, not ALL things in country are run democratically. If a police officer, in a position of authority over you, demands you do something when he has pulled you over because you broke the law, you DO NOT have the RIGHT to ignore and berate him, openly disregarding everything he tells you to do. By simply BEING a citizen in THIS country, you agree to the fact that a police officer is allowed to do his job, and this woman, from the outset, had absolutely NO intent on compliance with anything the officer said. She was:

1. Speeding. Speeding is illegal, the police officer had every right to pull her over for speeding.

2. Driving on a suspended license.

3. Driving with a broken windshield and back light. These probably wouldn’t even have been mentioned by the officer if she was just compliant in the first place.

I read so many posts that portrayed the police officer in this villainous light like his sole goal in life was to “make people feel bad.” Pardon my language, but you’re all a bunch of pussies.

My final point is to ask you to take a step back and view this from the eyes of the police officer. This man has one job to do – be a police officer. His job entails several different things, day in and day out, and requires him to adapt to many different situations, put himself in harm’s way, and know how to act in a LOT of different situations. Because he’s a traffic cop, just try to imagine that there are… geez.. millions of potential “types” of people that he could have pulled over. This one happened to be a black woman, who from the very start, was looking for a fight. Every single person in this country knows and understands that a police officer holds authority OVER you, ESPECIALLY when you are being stopped for doing something illegal. Even if the woman was right that his stopping her was illegal, can I insert a little “WTF” here and ask why she decided to go all out and fight the cops when she KNEW beforehand that she was driving on an expired license? Put yourself back in his position… what would you think as you walked up to the car? Be honest – not politically correct.

“Oh great… I’m not even to her car yet and her door is already open… she’s calling me a racist, but she hasn’t even heard me open my mouth yet.. I guess it’s because I’m white, and she’s black, and therefore every action I take is apparently racist by nature. To me, that kind of sounds racist.. but whatever, I’m just trying to do my job.”

“Okay.. I’m trying to tell her now that I pulled her over for speedi-.. I can’t even get through my first sentence without her yelling at me. What the hell did I do? I am just DOING my job. I saw a car speeding, and I pulled it over… WTF is wrong with her? NO – I do not hate black people you idiot, NO, I do not even KNOW your brother. You can hate cops or white people all you want, but right now, please, shut the hell up and just listen to me. It’s not my job to be NICE to you – if you want, you can come down to the station later and we’ll have tea and talk about our problems, but right now, let me do my job. You’re making me angry. My job is not to have patience with you, my job is not to be nice to you. While I TRY to be nice to you, (because I’m a nice guy… not because it’s part of my job description,) the responsibility is more on YOUR side to give me a reason to be nice to you, rather than make me work for it, and so far you have given me not only NO reason to be nice to you, but almost EVERY reason I can think of to be upset with you.”

“Okay – yes.. yes.. I hear you, I’ll come back shortly dear and answer your question. I heard you the first time… my name is McNevin, and despite your persistence in questioning, there is no such thing as a unit number, you stupid bitch.”

Let me interject here – who the HELL does this woman think she is? The utter disrespect and unfriendliness that it takes to stick your head out your window and yell repeatedly at a police officer “WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHAT IS YOUR BADGE NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHAT IS YOUR BADGE NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHAT IS YOUR BADGE NUMBER?” like a broken record on repeat just… oh my lord… would have made me so angry. If THAT wouldn’t have gotten to you, I don’t know what drugs you’re on… but please give me some of them.

“Oh… oh great.. her license is suspended too. I’m sure no matter HOW I approach this now, it won’t go over well.. but whatever. Okay, listen, you’re being pulled over and you light up a cigarette and start calling people? Are you mental? Put out your cigarette and hang up your cell phone. It’s (again,) not my job to sit here and WAIT on you. I am not a waiter, I am a police officer. In doing my job, I am telling you that you need to obey me. I’m not demanding something crazy from you, like strip naked and dance for me, I’m telling you to do something that ANYONE with common sense would do, but of course, no.. you have to yell at me – again – negate everything I’m saying and disregard every attempt I make at you to do something I ask. I’m tired of this. I’ve had it with this woman. She has absolutely NO intentions of cooperating with me, and she’s pissing me off on top of that. I’m opening her door and telling her to get out of the car. I’m putting her under arrest because of the six violations I already told her, but I’m sure she’s going to fight that too.”

“Hey, Jack (officer #2’s made up name), help me out here… I don’t know if this woman has a gun, or pepper spray, or if she’s calling people to come back her up against white crazies who are violating her rights… so go around back and make sure she doesn’t pull anything… at THIS point I have made up my mind that her noncooperation has forced my hand in taking action against her.”

“Get. Out. Of. The. Car. While I’m.. seriously… not required to tell you again – just for good measure, and the video tape, and the ACLU, I’m gonna tell you once, twice.. hell.. maybe three more times WITH MY TAZER POINTED AT YOU to get out of your car. I am telling you now that you are being arrested.. and.. oh screw it – BLAMMMMMMMMMM -. ”

Sorry – me again – at this point, the officer had to listen to 4 minutes of this woman screaming and crying like she just got put into the Rodney King hall of fame. She was NOT a victim of police brutality, and she was NOT abused by the police officers. SHe was a STUPID, non-compliant woman who did EVERY. SINGLE. THING she could to NOT cooperate, NOT listen, NOT respect, and NOT obey the officers who were going through the steps of a basic pullover with her.

“Okay – now we need to get her into the car. This won’t be easy.. she’ll complain.. I’m not trying to hurt her.. I know that tazing hurts, but it’s not the end of the world. She should have known THIS was the outcome of disobedience. I’m not God, I’m not trying to be all Mr. Powerful and use my weapon against a defenseless woman, I am just doing my job, and like I said before, my job is to uphold the law, and her job is to listen to me when I’m trying to do that job. I’m not required to sit there and negociate everything with her or listen to all the problems she has with me and my skin color. I did what was necessary, perpetuated by her noncompliance.”

She deserved EVERYthing she got, and about 20 times more that the police officers didn’t do.

If you actually read my entire post, and still disagree with me, I would REALLY, SINCERELY like to read why you disagree with me. There may be something I’m missing, or something that I just don’t see, but as far as I can tell I am right and very.. very justified in my response.

Thanks for reading,

Brian

The black mother bitch got what she deserved. Fucking idiots, these black people.

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For Brian…

I don’t disagree that the woman had it coming, she was speeding, on a suspended licence, no seat belt, broken tail light, broken windshield.

She then became defiant, combative, and refused to follow legitimate instructions from a police officer after being pulled over and the decision was made to arrest her. At that point, she chose her own fate. She was warned repeatedly to put down the phone (she can make her phone call from jail if she chooses), step out of the vehicle, warned about being tazed before (big surprise!) she get tazed.

The issue I have is where you say the ‘officers job is to enforce the law, and penalize/punish those who break it’. You cannot be more wrong. Their job is to enforce the law, arrest/detain those who break it.

It is up to the COURTS to determine and/or apply punishment and that is a very big distinction. Allowing officers to apply punishment to people for breaking the law would result in the very anarchy that you claim to abhor.

My two cents. If you don’t want to get tazed, well, put down the phone, get out of the car, and do what you’re told.

1. Please stop pretending you are police officers. If you were, you would know this is what standard procedure is. His only other options were to physically pull her out of the car, pepper spray her, or beat her with a baton.

2. I took a class in Peoria about a year ago. An optional extra was to be tasered. I did that. The taser causes no lasting effects. Once the five seconds of electrical current are over, it is done.

3. She was bleeding because she tried to pull out the barb from the taser.

4. There is a law against resisting arrest, ever heard of it?

Let me preface this by saying that I am about as liberal and in support of the rights enumerated in the Constitution as they come. I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU and believe everyone deserves a fair day in court. That being said, I’m also a volunteer with the local Sheriff’s Office, with a goal of someday entering that field.

In most states, the refusal demonstrated by the driver to exit the vehicle when asked is cause for a resisting or obstructing charge, in addition to the numerous moving and equipment violations. Despite being asked numerous times to exit the vehicle, put out the cigarette and hang up the cell phone, the driver continues to disregard the officer’s instructions. I’m not certain what the policy of the Boynton Beach Police Department is when it comes to use of force, but in many agencies, passive resistance is all an officer needs to deploy various control techniques and devices, sometimes including the TASER.

Could there have been other options? Perhaps. Ofc. McNevin could have gone ‘hands-on’ with the motorist, thereby risking the safety of himself, the other officer, and the motorist. If it is indeed true that the driver took a swing at McNevin or threatened to stab his partner, going ‘hands-on’ may not have been the safest or most logical choice. What’s more, in many instances, a ‘21 foot rule’ comes into effect when dealing with an edged weapon, such as a knife, sword, or (in this case) a pen. This ‘rule’ dictates that any time an aggressive subject comes within 21 feet of an officer carrying an edged weapon, the officer would most likely be justified in using lethal force.

The TASER is oftentimes a safer and more effective option then going ‘hands-on’ or using OC (pepper spray) or an impact weapon (baton). The 50,000 volts of electricity that are delivered for 5 seconds with each trigger pull certainly sound frightening, but have never SPECIFICALLY caused a death. Additionally, with the majority of TASER deployments, broken bones or other major physical injuries seldom result — and you can’t say the same about a ‘hands-on’ physical fight or impact weapon use. The only time anyone has died after being TASERed is when they were under the influence of a major stimulant drug, such as cocaine, and entered a condition known as ‘Excited Delirium’, and this condition is not attributed solely to the TASER usage.

It is my personal opinion that Ofc. McNevin acted appropriately and with great restraint in protecting the safety of all involved. When a person is that emotionally combative and agitated, it often doesn’t take long for them to become physically aggressive. From the moment McNevin re-approached her vehicle, the driver was non-compliant. Fearing for his safety, McNevin asked her to hang up her cell phone; he was probably not sure if she was calling someone else to the scene to be combative. Fearing for his safety, McNevin asked her to exit the vehicle. Fearing for his and the PUBLIC’s safety, McNevin deployed his TASER.

Are there racist cops? Unfortunately, we all know that there are, just as there are racist teachers, firefighters, and politicians. Did Officer McNevin take this course of action because he had pulled over an African-American woman? I sincerely doubt it. Had she been pleasant and not aggressive and non-compliant, chances are she would be in a lot less pain and legal trouble. It’s entirely possible that he would have written her a simple citation and released the vehicle to another party, letting her go on her way with just a few fines. Instead, she took a trip to the Boynton Beach jail, enjoying 3 hots and a cot on the dime of every other law-abiding taxpayer.

Officers are trained to respond to threats to injure, regardless of a person’s race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or other personal background. Had a ‘white soccer mom driving a Lexus’ done the same thing, the result would have been the same. Before people fault an officer for simply doing their job, they should ensure they know the full background on each case.